army intelligence? RANT

sliqwill

Veteran
so since dialup is so slow im reading the paper while screens load and came across a thing about the army finally hitting goal for recruits...

some lady says that the recruits are less qualified now though since the army is now taking in more folks without diplomas or those who have criminal records...

Ray DuBois, who recently served as Undersecretary of the Army stated that "Only 19% of recruits lack traditional high school diplomas , and that 60% score in the top half of the armys aptitude test"

ok, time to pick this apart...

what skill labor force do you know of that nearly 1 in 5 isnt a high school graduate?

who think that 19% is a LOW %?

how does 60% of anything score above the 50th percentile?

remember folks the military doesnt grade people like traditional school tests, everything is 'out of 100 people you scored on average better than xx of them' so how does 60% make up 50% of people :scratch:

now im not here to get anyone pissed off at me, but how does a press release like this get released?...i understand that traditional education isnt for everyone, but before this whole gulf round 2 thing started, it was VERY hard to get into the service with a GED. the only time they would let you in, is if they were short on numbers for the month/quarter/fiscal, because towards the end of the cycle is someone hasnt pushed their numbers through they get a bad eval...

while i see nothing completely wrong with 19% of the new army recruits being dropouts, i just think publishing that number is wrong...remember the military IS allowed to discriminate in their hiring practices.
 

onyxdragon5977

Massive Jackson Stalker
I'm assuming that the 19% are going to be front line battalion. I agree that the military is retarded these days. They tried to get me into the Air Force with 3 open heart surgeries and Diabetes to boot, and they tried HARD.
 
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saintfan

Guest
Its crazy these days, i just had to kick a guy out, and the ARMY recruiter who was hounding him to cross over was absolutely nutz. He told me we need truck drivers after i told him there is no f'n way i would ever want this guy in any Military branch.
 

Bounty13

Prospect
I think they are trying to say that 60% of the 19 recruits score on the top half of the test. Saying that just because they don't have a high school diploma doesn't mean they can't score high on the apt test.

sliqwill I know you were in the military so you know what Clinton did to our force (and was Rummys fault as well). So now that we are building back up they are going to take people with lower education and history of crimes or drugs. I don't know why people are concerned if the military is lowering their standards so people can join to protect their country and protect the asses of the people bitching about the military.

My father just passed the 25 year mark and graduated from the US Army War College yesterday. The military has some of the brightest minds in our country. People should be grateful.


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Seahawklady

Bench Warmer
I think they are trying to say that 60% of the 19 recruits score on the top half of the test. Saying that just because they don't have a high school diploma doesn't mean they can't score high on the apt test.

sliqwill I know you were in the military so you know what Clinton did to our force (and was Rummys fault as well). So now that we are building back up they are going to take people with lower education and history of crimes or drugs. I don't know why people are concerned if the military is lowering their standards so people can join to protect their country and protect the asses of the people bitching about the military.

My father just passed the 25 year mark and graduated from the US Army War College yesterday. The military has some of the brightest minds in our country. People should be grateful.


TroopsinIrak.jpg


OK and posting that stupid ass picture does what???

Get a clue, the REPUBLICANS started this ILLEGAL WAR, and if a Democrat had a spine, they would END it.

OK and posting that stupid ass picture does what???

Get a clue, the REPUBLICANS started this ILLEGAL WAR, and if a Democrat had a spine, they would END it.

Kucinich for PRESIDENT!!!! Since Gen. Clark, Al Gore, and John Edwards are already on the "sh!t:" list for you all.
 

sliqwill

Veteran
alright, i know about the whole 'downsizing' and 'overspending' going on with the military...reagan built the military up and kept the numbers up even after the cold war...then gHWb did the whole kuwait thing, then began a military down period as not much was shaking...then gWb handles the terrorist attacks by attacking the wrong country (my opinion, but remember bin laden was suppsose to be in afghanistan, and he was the 'leader' of the attacks) because of the war currently taking place, the army has been having problems reaching recruiting goals for the first time since what vietnam?...when i got out in 2006 the 2005 fiscal year (oct04-sept05) the army only made 75% of goal, and im sure one of the main reasons is lack of support for the war, and the recruits know that its bootcamp then sandbox...

in no way am i against those defending, i just think that showing the loss of standards in the military will make it lose some of the prestige...most anyone in the military, i dont care what branch, should know that the marines are the craziest and most prestigious branch, and when i joined back in 98, they also had the highest entry standards of any of the branches and never had problems making goal...

as i stated, i understand that tradtional education isnt for everyone, some of the smartest people in the world are high school dropouts because school education bored them and they were much better off learning for themself though reading/doing...but the lack of clarity in the guys quote, which i took directly out of the paper, shows problems with the system, because if it is these 19% of high school dropouts performing better than 1/2 of the people already in the army, i would suspect that the general public would feel that the army has lots of dumb people...im not saying these people are dumb, but the perception of intelligence of a high school graduate vs a high school drop out, most folks would think the graduate was smarter, which isnt always the case, because im sure we all went to school with people who we were like :scratch: how did he graduate? or we worked with the one idiot...

maybe what they need for the frontline is inner city gang members and rednecks...people who are proficient in gun use from an early age...

its not that we need higher numbers of people in the military, we need to take the money that was used in cutbacks to properly outfit the guys who are on the front lines being shot at...sure recruits make what $20,000 a year now?...how many front line troops would be able to be properly outfitted with that money?...yes i know there needs to be troop rotation, but there also needs to be a system in place to keep the troops there alive and coming back in the same shape they were sent over there in...also the VA system needs a huge overhaul, because its horrible here in illinois, and there are thousands of troops who will return to illinois who will go into the system only to fall through all the cracks...

information like that does not need to be released, that is my opinion
 

scrappy

Bench Warmer
working closely with military personnel, who are in the army, i swear they dont' give any kind of IQ tests for the guys we have up here, and those are the guys that are going to Iraq. Seriously the morons i have encountered I wouldn't trust with a pellet gun much less a machine gun. if they can't understand the most basic of instructions like, "I need everyone out of the vehicle and off of the scales" and they sit there and stare at you, that leads me to believe they aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. I have had guys PSC'ing in and out that don't understand and I have had guys in actual Army trucks who are making up building number from where the trash that they are hauling came from when I just saw them on the side of the highway where there ARE NO BUILDINGS.

By no means do i not support our troops over there, i dont' support the war in the slightest but i support the guys over there. they aren't the brightest at all but they are someplace no one wants to be weather they are fighting for freedom or not. they are blinded into thinking that we are doing good over there yet our own gov't is sending them there with half assed supplies and our gov't is surprised when one of them gets injured.
 

seahawks4ever

Bench Warmer
OK and posting that stupid ass picture does what???

Get a clue, the REPUBLICANS started this ILLEGAL WAR, and if a Democrat had a spine, they would END it.

OK and posting that stupid ass picture does what???

Get a clue, the REPUBLICANS started this ILLEGAL WAR, and if a Democrat had a spine, they would END it.

Kucinich for PRESIDENT!!!! Since Gen. Clark, Al Gore, and John Edwards are already on the "sh!t:" list for you all.

:shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:
 

metallikat87

Bench Warmer
OK and posting that stupid ass picture does what???

Get a clue, the REPUBLICANS started this ILLEGAL WAR, and if a Democrat had a spine, they would END it.

OK and posting that stupid ass picture does what???

Get a clue, the REPUBLICANS started this ILLEGAL WAR, and if a Democrat had a spine, they would END it.

Kucinich for PRESIDENT!!!! Since Gen. Clark, Al Gore, and John Edwards are already on the "sh!t:" list for you all.
how can you seriously want a president who toes tha party lines like dennis kucinich does? he doesnt have a mind of his own, and neither does al gore or john edwards
especially john edwards has nothing in his background that qaulifies him for office

and you cant say that you want a democrat with a spine and back john kerry who is probably the worst democratic candidate to run ever, he couldnt even beat out president who at the time had better approval numbers than he does now but still had some of the lowest ever for a sitting president
 
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